I remember heaps of arcade games I played when I was a kid (probably circa 1985-1990) but there are two which I cannot remember the names of, but can vaguely remember the games themselves. I'll try to describe them, and perhaps someone can figure out what they are. In the first, I think it was a vertical scrolling shooter of some kind, and you were piloting a plane or helicopter (I believe it could be two players at once), and you could shoot air and land enemies, but you had to watch out not to kill civilians (I remember one part where there was a long road running across the screen and I used to shoot some poor guy in his Ferrari every game). It wasn't 1942 or 1943, but similar to these. The second one, I believe it was a space shooter game, and I'm pretty sure your ship was fixed in the center of the screen, and as you turned, everything turned around the center - it wasn't Asteroids, but I can't remember much else about it! Can anyone help?